Ray Greene Rascal 14; information request

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  1. Rascal 14

    Rascal 14 New Member

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    Recently, my parents have informed me they have a sailboat on their property nice and distant from where I live. From what I've been able to gather its a Ray Greene Rascal. Not being close enough to personally inspect the boat I only have pictures to go on.
    Here are a bow and hull photo: Ray Green Rascal 14 Bow.JPG Ray Greene Rascal hull.JPG

    I say now, I haven't been around sailboats since I was 6 and want to bring it back into my life, specifically to introduce to my daughter at some point. I know very little terminology related to sailing and am trying to learn, so if I refer to something incorrectly, please forgive me and let me know the proper terminology. My request for assistance centers around the fact that the boat appears to need some "wonderful" reconstruction work on the board box. You can see the board box I'm referring to in the next photo with some rotten wood and banged up fiberglass: Ray Greene Rascal Board box.JPG

    The boat has sat outside in dry air for an extensive period of time and appears that it'll take a lot of work just to get the boat to where I live and I'm trying to figure out, after its gotten here, how much work could potentially be needed to repair what's gotten rotten; wood or fiberglass. From initial conversation with the parents most everything appears cosmetic and fairly (used loosely) basic except for repairing the keelboard itself and the board box. What I'm trying to make sure of is that I don't get in over my head in repairing this particular boat cost wise. So in order to do that I'm attempting to do a couple of things. A) track down as much information on these boats as possible, most specifically how the board box is built, but any information would be fantastic. B) come up with some cost estimates with a factor of unexpected expenses added after a potential list has been formed. Really all the information that I have found thus far is here: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5918

    So at this point I don't have much to go on not even a production number to help look up particulars of the boat, but then again I don't know where to look for the production number on the hull.

    So if anyone has insights into where to track down information on Ray Greene's Rascal, insights on its constructions, or general information regarding their experiences restoring a day-sailor, thoughts are appreciated.
  2. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    If you 'google' Rascal sailboat you will find more info.
  3. Steve Namenye

    Steve Namenye New Member

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    There's not a ton of info. out there. I bought an old one last fall. It didn't need any hull work. But I think the boom and sails aren't original so the sail can't be hauled to the top of the mast, .

    Got to really sail it for a week a few weeks ago and it is a nice stable boat and worth the work if your not alergic like I'm alergic to boat improvement projects. Anything is fixable with the right amount of time and money. Personally I wouldn't tackle what your looking at unless it has sentimental value or you just like old boats. There's something to be said for a newer boat that has all the right parts/pieces and those parts/pieces are readily available. Check Craigslist in your area. Just my 2 cents worth.

    I'm keeping mine and will continue to sail it to make sure it's a good empty nest hobby for my first mate and me. But, I may upgrade to something newer sometime, too.

    As for the center board bunk, you might also look for info. on the 16 ft. Rebel. Ray Greene also built these and the design is similar to the Rascal and has endured. I believe Ray Greene stopped building boats in the mid 70's.

    You may want to share these pics with the best sailboat marine service shop in your area for ideas and estimates as well.

    Good luck!
  4. hopscotch

    hopscotch New Member

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    According to Harry Milling an employee and sailmaker for Ray Greene, Rascal and its bigger brother Rebel (16) were originally manufactured by Rebel Industries in Jackson, Michigan. Ray Greene was doing a college thesis in 1948 in conjunction with Owens Corning using honeycombed fiberglass. Sometime later it was manufactured in Canidaigua, NY by German Brothers and eventually the hull designs were sold to Spindrift. Spindrift did produce the Rascal and I have one of the owners manuals for the Rascal from them. Spindrift later moved production to Tallevast, Florida. I had contact with the sailmaker who originally worked for Rebel Industries and had the sail and mast dimensions. I had my boat (Hopscotch) refitted with a larger dia mast (2.4" x 3") and bought a new set of sails from Bacon and Associates who list the sail dimensions under Venture sailboats. I have sailed Hopscotch on the Finger Lakes in New York and on Lake Ontario since 1987. Just this year I replaced the centerboard trunk, refiber-glassing the plywood on both sides and finishing with a good 2-part epoxy. I did some additional epoxy work on the hull below the waterline and have her ready to sail this spring. She is forgiving and fun to sail. We have sailed larger boats but still enjoy the thrill of feeling the lift when the sails are trimmed right and running the rails on the ragged edge.

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